![]() I think movesets will always be standard in wrestling, it's all about the performer and his character when it comes to whether or not wrestling fans will accept his moveset or not. Hart could use his moveset to signal the end of the match, where Cena is always using his to overcome massive amounts of punishment to win. It's really difficult to compare the two superstars but in reference to if the 5 Moves of Doom is overused, surely makes sense here. Hart could tell a fantastic story in-ring, while Cena is always depending upon his opponent to carry him. the term 5 Moves of Doom is overrated but what really sets the moveset apart is how the performer tells the story in-ring and that's where I see the divergence in Bret Hart and Cena. depending on the opponent and in most cases it's a large amount of beating on Cena until his 5 Moves of Doom and AA that finish the match. Cena gets a bad rap because he only uses the same moves everytime. Atomic drops and backbreakers, Side Russian leg sweeps and elbows from the middle rope were always a part of his end of the match move set up. I'm a huge Bret Hart fan and I'd never once considered his move set to be anything but perfect but it was true. That was the first time I'd ever seen that argument made and I was struck dumbfounded. He very rarely moves away from the bread and butter when it comes to building to his finishing manuever but I also found here, on the WZ forums, someone referred to Bret Hart's build up to the sharpshooter as a 5 Moves of Doom as well. I've seen the 5 Moves of Doom term used mostly to represent Cena and I can understand that argument. Metlzer perpetuated this stupidity by popularizing "work rate" and "rest hold" which I've never fucking heard a single legit pro wrestler use unless they were making fun of it. This is coming from someone who drove 2 hours just to get my picture taken with Marufuji too. The average John Cena match has more ring psychology, selling, and storytelling than pretty much any Naomichi Marufuji match I've ever seen. Dumb people think pro wrestling is about MOVEZ. The "WWE" style isn't simplified you simpleton. There was a specific type of character people cheered and a specific type of character people booed. Hogan, Austin, Hart, HBK, they all had uniform audiences. ![]() If anything, that just makes it even more impressive that Cena gets 100% of people to show up to shows and make noise and care about his matches. It's a paradox because the normal people are the opposite. A heel gets cheered pretty much universally by smarks and faces pretty much universally get booed by smarks. That's like saying "yea Roy Halladay is throwing strikes but if he doesn't bend at the knees more, his technique will suffer".Ĭena can't UNIFY a crowd because it's not UNIFORM. You DON'T FUCKING KNOW HOW to do anything. Not only that, but he was probably trained by a legit trainer, not some yard tard.Įither that or your full of shit. In all likelihood, he MUST be an actual pro wrestler or a former one. The crowd is willing to openly boo faces they don't like, whether as a result of the internet showing that many people share their views or the general change to a more hostile crowd as a result of ECW and the Attitude Era.Ĭlick to expand.Wow. He isn't as good as some of the guys in the past, but he also faces a crowd that has changed. His personality just can't unify a crowd. He's got some flaws in technique like his sloppy STF and he is not as good at transitioning into his comeback like Hogan and the Warrior were, but he isn't a bad wrestler by any means. Cena's actual wrestling is pretty standard. Shawn struggled with getting booed but not to the extent of Cena. The difference with Cena is he gets openly booed unlike any of the former WWE champions. The tape traders loved All Japan not WWF. The hardcore fans hated Hogan even if the general public loved him. The Wrestling Observer's Dave Meltzer had ugly names for WWF wrestlers. ![]() The Apter magazines were anti-WWF, calling it a circus and always having the NWA guys win dream matches in their magazines. The simpler WWF/WWE style formulated by Hogan, McMahon, and Patterson has always been criticized. Most Cena fans haven't been around long, and don't realize the criticism of Cena isn't "hate" or personal. ![]() It referred to Bret Hart's ending sequence. Commenter/troll Scott Keith popularized the "five moves of doom" phrase in his recaps and reviews that he posted in RSPW during the 90's. ![]()
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